“You will never find a greater hive of scum and villainy”.
The Westboro Baptist Church (or WBC) is an Independent Baptist “church” known for its extreme stance against homosexuality, other religions, and anything else that tickles their fancy. They are also known for their greatly offensive protest activities against fallen service men/woman and high profile aka popular people. In this special section, we will explore their hateful and distorted “divine” teachings and expose them for what they truly are, a hate group who uses religion for personal power.
Not to long ago, this little blogger issued a contest of shorts to the folks of the Westboro Baptist Church. If you are blissfully unaware of what these things… er people are, then you are one lucky person. If you want to know, well here is their Wiki entry:
The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an independent Baptist church known for its extreme stance against homosexuality and its protest activities, which include picketing funerals and desecrating the American flag. The church is widely described as a hate group and is monitored as such by the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center. It is headed by Fred Phelps and consists mostly of members of his large family; in 2007, it had 71 members. The church is headquartered in a residential neighborhood on the west side of Topeka about three miles west of the Kansas State Capitol at 3701 West 12th Street, Topeka, Kansas, United States. Its first public service was held on the afternoon of Sunday, November 27, 1955.
That’s right, they protest dead people who protect this nation. How brave they must feel protesting people who can not fight back. Oh how God must smile on them for doing such a brave act! Yea right. So as I was writing up these questions for them on twitter, I have little hopes that anything would come of it. While these people are very outspoken, they also have a habit of making a run for it when confronted with any real challenge. Again, there is that "bravely doing god's work again". Speaking of challenge, while I tried to do my best to sound as middle ground as possible, I know that wouldn't last long. Many of their words are crafted to purposely piss people off, and I am only human after all. Regardless of all of this, I issued the questions on twitter, mostly because their site is still down after a month of “rebooting”, and eagerly awaited a response. Who would have thought they would actually respond?
~ http://twitter.com/godhatesu I’m guessing this is one of the main WBC twitter accounts since it was the only one to respond. Other accounts where reached out to, but none actually responded.
@TaySimone91 @WBCSteve @jaelphelpsVLPhelps @WBCVide @DearShirley
~ http://twitter.com/dwellerofrhymes That would be me. Not only do I write in the book of stories, I also dwell with some rhymes yo. (har har)
~ http://twitter.com/Catziiis Person that came in towards the end dealing with church tax exempt status.
~ http://twitter.com/WiccanPotPie Their newest gag image of the WBC made me spit out my Snapple laughing so hard. JERK! (Also made the OBEY! Image I gleefully stole)
So enough fluff and puff, what follows is the brief parley I had with the group (and a few other people) before the WBC cut it off.
What the question was suppose to be:
Most mainstream religions of the day (both Monotheistic and Polytheistic) preach some form of a loving/compasionate divine being and words of goodness and redemption. What was the reason you deviated from this, and why do you think a message of hate (as in God hates x) will be more effective? To be more specific, why do you think a “God hates x” bumper sticker, would be more effective than a “Jesus loves you” sticker?
What it turned out to be:
Why do you think a “God hates x” message, would be more effective than a “Jesus loves you” message?
What I got:
@dwellerofrhymes 1/7: our message has been 100% effective at warning this generation to flee the wrath to come. Your hate of the msg not our biz
@godhatesu 1/7: Act professional & stick with the question. Question was about why u think your message works, nothing to do with my "hate"
@dwellerofrhymes 1/7: That wasn't question. Question was why don't we use ANOTHER message. Our message works PERFECTLY. It is true and warns you.
You see the image that proceeded this question? No matter when, what or who they are protesting you will see one of the WBC proudly displaying these signs. God hates this, God hates that, Burn in hell and so on, it's disgusting really. So I knew this had to be the first question asked, why do you think your God hates x message is more effective than others God loves x? The question was a relatively simple one, considering they profess this in their sleep. Had this person answered with just the first sentence of his reply I might have been able to let it go. While it didn't actually answer the question fully, he at least explained why he agrees with his message. But know, this person had to tack on more. "Your hate of the msg not our biz". While I have no problem expressing my disgust with this cult, the question was formed in a way that didn't assign blame, didn't ask why they use another message or "hate" as they said. Again as the image above states, THEY display this sign all the time. But no, direct questions couldn't get a direct answer.
What it was suppose to be:
Your group bases its works around the belief expressed by its best known slogan and the address of its primary Web site, God Hates Fags, asserting that every tragedy in the world is linked to homosexuality. What is the line of thinking (and proof thereof) that one group of people are responsible for the world’s problems?
What it turned into:
What is the line of thinking (& proof) that fags are responsible for the world’s problems? Is it bible or real world events?
What I got:
@godhatesu 2/7: What is the line of thinking (& proof) that fags are responsible for the world’s problems? Is it bible or real world events?
@dwellerofrhymes 2/7: Both. Sodom destroyed for pushing fag filth, Noah's world same; look at US decline after full fag acceptance
@godhatesu 2/7: As in Sodom and Gomorrah? Ezekiel 16:49-50 doesn't mention homoanything. Can you site it? Noah? The boat story? Site that too....
@dwellerofrhymes You don't get to ask a question and tell me how to answer. One more of those, you go on block. U do so b/c u know the ans.
As soon as I asked the question, I expected it would contain a few passages from the bible. Something containing "God smite this with lighting and fire" is always fun to use. In fact I took some time while waiting for a response reading various passages to better familiarize myself with anything related to homosexuality and the bible. Did you know there is a lot on how guy on guy is evil, but nothing on girl on girl... (err sorry I am still a guy after all ^_^) So let's get to their response shall we?
~ If Sodom was destroyed because of so called fag filth then why does Ezekiel 16:49-50 state "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." So because they where greedy selfish little sobs, the Jewish God layed down some divine wrath and f'ed some people up. How that is connected to "fag filth" is beyond me.
~ The story of Noah. Yes they really brought it up. A story of metaphor and imagery, used to show how the Jewish God used the water of wash the wicked sins of the world away and start the human race anew. Sins of greed, selfishness, and wickedness. Not once was homosexuality was mentioned.
And when asked to site how these stories actually mentioned or cast down homosexuality? OMZG BLOCK!!!! Yea... back in my day, we call this question dodging.
What is was suppose to be:
Many of your signs state “God hates America”. Along with other socially questionable signs “Thank God for 9/11” and “Thank God for dead soldiers”, it is safe to assume you have a strong dislike for this country. If this is the case, why do you still live, work, shop (and there by support), follow laws of, and use the services of this nation? Other groups that have such a strong convection often seal themselves off and are self sufficient. Why not do the same? For the purposes of this question, venturing out and preaching to the masses does not count as the same interacting as would the above. That’s preaching, and has been done even by hermits and social outcasts.
What it turned into:
If ur so adverse to the US why do u still live, work and use resources of US? Why not cut urself off from the world? Why don't you become self sufficient? (preaching does not count as "interaction" for this question)
What I got
@godhatesu 3/7: If ur so adverse to the US why do u still live, work and use resources of US? Why not cut urself off from the world? (more)
@godhatesu 3/7: Why don't you become self sufficient? (preaching does not count as "interaction" for this question)
@dwellerofrhymes We have been put here to preach, just as all God's preachers have been put in a place to preach. Doomed america needs words
@dwellerofrhymes We are self-sufficient. We take nothing. No donations, we work for our daily bread and use the resources to serve God.
@godhatesu 3/7: May have conveyed wrong, or I misunderstand answer. Your saying you buy nothing in America and grow/make everything urself?
This questions is when Catziis came into play;
@godhatesu @dwellerofrhymes Dweller, he means 2 say WBC has a falsely-held tax exemption (tax dodging) & gives no measurable charity #FAKES
@Catziiis What!? They are allowed to have tax exempt status? I thought that was only for real religious organizations? Doesn't seem right
@dwellerofrhymes I would love 2 see all the statements the Phelpes made during political campaigns: tie them w/ church = NONPROFIT GONE!
What we see here is the typical response of cults. Sure they are more than willing to profess doom and gloom for everyone (except themselves), but when it comes to real work they shy away. To cut themselves off from the world, save for preaching, to grow your own food and work for yourselves, these cults just can't seem to do it. Why follow your own teachings (and staying away from evil America), when you can still shop at your local store for everything you need! Why work for yourself and the good of your church when you can get a local job for a pay check. So not only do they falsely profess to be a religion, hold tax exemption status during a time of economical problems but also profess to "use the tools of the devil (aka America) for the service of their god?" Yea I call bullshit.
@godhatesu 4/7: Video link for reference (2:41 to 4mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWAawKFMYfs%20
@godhatesu 4/7 Ms Philips use's Jesus died for my sins as an excuse for her illigement child sin, why not the rest of us (for any sin)?
Never revived a answerer to this. In fact, when this question was posed (a question that is well documented btw) I was blocked from the majority of their twitter accounts. Another typical sign of a cult...
So there you have it. I went into this not expecting much, and that's what I got out of it. A cult, one that doesn't even follow what it preaches, hiding in the dark when light is shed on any of there sins. A group of people that are unable and unwilling to see fault with themselves, but only with the world around them. Idiots that profess "citizens of God" as an excuse to ignore the basic respect others should show all life. The demand others show them tolerance (6:55min-ish), yet in the same breath say "God hates x" and something to do with "fag filth". They are evil, they are batshit insane, I don't think they are all perfectly sane. I really could go on and on about this, but one twitter person summed it up quite nicely;
@godhatesu @sortableturnip No, what I see is a pattern. When light is shed on #WBC, they scatter like roaches. #GodHatesRoaches
May the God and Goddess forgive them, or at least may the be reincarnated as the people they hate :)