The Westboro Baptist Church (or WBC) is an Independent Baptist “church” known for its extreme stance against homosexuality, other religions, and anything else that tickles their fancy. They are also known for their greatly offensive protest activities against fallen service men/woman and high profile aka popular people. In this special section, we will explore their hateful and distorted “divine” teachings and expose them for what they truly are, a hate group who uses religion for personal power.
Part: 13/19
Part: 13/19
Name: Judge Not That Ye Be Not Judged- Pt 13 of WBC's GOD H8S vid
Update: Videos have been removed. Blog now shows video of all of them combined.
Bible Verse use:
(They may be out of order here, just because I had a hell of a time seeing them)
Mat 7:1: It comes in a few different version, but its basically the title of the video.
Jer 15:19: Therefore this is what the LORD says: "If you repent, I will restore you that you may serve me; if you utter worthy, not worthless, words, you will be my spokesman. Let this people turn to you, but you must not turn to them.
1 Cor 6:23: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Heb 5:14: But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Josh 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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| What's good for one is good for all right? |
Judging, we all do it.
As part of the “Sermon on the Mount,” chapter of the bible, the main message and passage of this video, was orginally relayed to people following the teachings of Christ... while he was still on this Earth. These people where eagerly seeking a "idiots guide to" the miracle and god like powers of Jesus they have both witnesses and heard about. During this and other times, the good lord introduced the masses (at least the ones that would listen) to another way of life, another form of living which functions according to truth, justice and pure loving faith that differ radically from those that govern this ... not so loving world. They wanted to be healed, they wanted a better life, they wanted the faith Jesus was giving to the world. Later, Jesus turns the discussion to one of the most tempting and troubling traps into which human beings fall—being critical and judgmental toward others. One might even call it being a b***h to others. Whether borne out of our insecurity, self-righteousness or pride, our judgments toward others are not just harmless opinions. They can be very hurtful, very dangerous and very much against the teaching of Christ.
But you know what? For better or for worse, to pass the time or during lunch, because we like the person or not, we have all and will again judge. Humans as a whole love nothing more than to talk talk talk. As we talk, we also begin to label things; to label people, to label the whole bloody world around us, all so we can have a nice little ordered life and universe. Yea right, if only it was that easy. You may remember in high school, the student body would fall under normies, nerds, Goths, jocks and so on (I was the nerd, with bad glasses and all). As teens AND adults, judging gives a false (yet still accepted) sense of security. Because once we have judged or defined a person, we now know how to act around them. It can also make us feel better about ourselves. What’s a better ego booster than knowing you just better than the people around you? You know what’s even worse? Despite the fact we all know judging people just by face value are wrong and flawed, we still do it.
But hey, that’s just part of being human right?
No one is perfect and we all make (many) mistakes.
As already state, today's video deals with the cult of double standards address to the bible verse of “Judge not that ye be not judged” or if you prefer “Judge not lest you be judged”. Coming from the first part of Matthew 7, the first six lines deals with the act of judging;
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
Before we jump into the "What she said" section of this rebuking, I would like to take a moment to address the opening song of this video. The opening parody (I believe its WBC member Steve singing) states that the lord is coming soon and we should all be afraid. In many of their videos, interviews, publishing’s and even on their website, they frequently mention the world is ending soon. If we review their website, the WBC even go as far as to state it will happen while Obama is president. For this, I would direct the supposed bible experts to Matthew 24:42, which even in the frequently mistranslated King James Version of the bible states, “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.”
Now Let’s again review where this verse is coming from.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
I will give the WBC this; Mat 7:1 is often misinterpreted as meaning one should never judge. If this where the case, it would mean God is advocating chaos, since who we to judge anything. However after reading the rest of the verses we see a very clear picture of what this is trying to tell us. It’s basically saying that you shouldn’t allow prejudices affect your judgment. A righteous judgment will be guided by the Spirit of the Lord, not by anger, revenge, jealousy, or self-interest. To judge righteously, we must have a clear un-perverted mind. So when one is condemning single mothers as “whores”, one should not let the fact they are ashamed (and tries to hide) of doing the very act cloud their judgment. After all won’t said person be judged by the same standard? I also think there is a underlying message contained in this verse, while we must assure we have actual un-perverted judgments, we must also consider the following; would Christ approve in you doing it to him? Remember what Matthew 7:12 says “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them”
What she said: “Do not sub your judgment for God’s”
We as humans, and the divine’s creation, are said to be flawed but still loved. Christian’s accept the will and code of Christ as their faith and moral compass, that’s why they are called Christians. So while not directly address in the verse in questions, it’s still good advice for any Christian to follow. Not only that, but humans have a consistent habit of screwing up anything we get our hands on, and that includes religion. So while our WBC narrator may have met it in a condescending manner, the spirit of the message is correct: “Don’t be a douche when making a judgment, look to God who knows what he is doing”. Here are just some quick examples of what the bible says;
Matthew 18:15-22: If your brother sins go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as Gentile and a tax collector. Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.” Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.(that was Jesus’ way of saying always)”
~Protesting funerals isn’t very private is it?
2 Timothy 2:24-25: The Lord’s bond-servant (aka Christians) must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged. With gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, And they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.
~Calling people fag then condemning them to hell kinda goes against this huh? Not to mention how the WBC stated “we make our signs to get a rise out of people”
Galatians 6:1: Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
~Being all attitude while calling yourself the “elect” does nothing for the cause. Also does nothing to bring about peace in the world when you call for the end times on everyone but you.
What she said: “If you believe the verse means not to judge, then stop judging us you blooming hypocrites!”
A group of people, who’s both criminal and immoral record, is longer than my computer wish list parts, telling people not to be hypocrites. Stupidity hits you for over 9000 damage. Members of WBC of already displayed themselves on camera saying "tell us the stinking truth". So as these people judge others (always harshly for effect) so to do we the other people judge them. As we judge and express our views, we do so by their own standards. Why then does this make us the bad guy? Are we not only following the words of the cult and what is express in the following verse;
Romans 2:1-3:Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?
What she said: “We don’t worship the false god no judgment, we serve a living god who demands we make judgments”
What she is saying here is that their (bi-polar) god demands that the members of her cult make (harsh) judgments and penalties on people. These “judgments” or examples of “righteous divine wrath” are in the form of random people dyeing, earthquake in some proximity of major cities, sending a sniper to kill kids, some form of natural disaster*4, or something blowing up. While I am not Christian, nor a follower of the bible, I can use my ability to read and understand to see a few patterns in the bible. One of which is the patience of the Jewish/Christian God.
Beginning with Genesis (is that a pun?), we see the threat of disobedience with God was certain death. It was a “you screw with me and I kill you dead” kind of thing. This is also something the WBC would be all about.*5 However, despite the fact both Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit*2 they did not experience death until MUCH later, about nine hundred years later if we take the bible at face value. You see, even after committing the most grievous sin of disobedience, the earth did not swallow them up as nom noms, no hails of Thor’s thunderbolts from heaven, no eternal damnation in some fire pit (hell isn’t even mentioned). God continued to show them love and even promised them the Deliverer to aid in humanities redemption! Humanity didn’t end, a bi-polar god didn’t destroy us all, humanity actually flourished! Keep in mind, the divine could have said “screw it” at any point and started over, but he didn’t.
But what about the stories of God laying holy smack down?
Aside from the phrase “spare the rod, spoil the child”, even when God did enact judgments upon the earthen people, we still see his love and patience. What of Sodom and the other cities? Even while using these human cities as target practice, we see how God’s patience and love never made a total devastation of them. His salvation is offered to them (and all people) and humanity as a whole was never destroyed. There is always that underlying message of God saying “Well yea you really messed up this time, so I’m going to back hand you and hope you learn a lesion”. You know, like any good parent would do. If you take a leap of faith with me, maybe one might even say God was trying to “cut the cancer” out if you will, leaving on the good in humanity. *6 Let us also not forget Romans 11:32 which reads "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all".
What about the WBC saying (always after the fact) x event was a punishment from God? Isn’t that like the above, but only in a modern way?
Again anyone who has the ability to read and connect the dots would question these WBC standards. In every single instance of God tapping two plains and two other mana*3, the divine ALWAYS issued very clear warnings of what was to come before he actually did it. Did God just flood the world without warning to be a giant douche, or did he send Noah first to peach about the upcoming killer pool party? As we continue further into the bible, we see another sub-pattern form. God really doesn’t want to send down holy wrath, and would much rather see us repent. After all, God the father is often portrayed as a … well a loving father. By issuing the warnings, He hopes to have humanity see what is coming, see the wrongs they have been doing and change their ways (Isaiah 26:11,Lamentations 3:33). Finally His love and patience is seen in giving great mercies after being provoked. He is slow to anger, that He heaps many kindnesses upon a rebel, instead of punishment. So saying “God killed x” or “God made x event happen” after the fact, is just a little silly by biblical standards. If the WBC was truly the elect of God, wouldn't they know exactly what was going to happen before it happened?
What she said: “We have to use our judgment to find out who the swine are.” “We are certainly capable these matters cause they are so plain in the scriptures”
Because of this, and other nonsense ego boosters, she then goes on to make the leap of logic that god hates fags and any nation who allows them. While pronouncing any of their anti-everything teachings, they use this as the main source of their justification. “It’s in the bible, so we are right.”
But does it?
Having already proved that God does not hate homosexuals, I wonder how the rest of their statement will would up. If you’re looking for direct verses that state its ok to protest funerals and degrade people you certainly won’t find any. (Strike one) If you’re looking for word for word guidelines on what a good judgment is, you won’t find that either*7. (Strike two) What we can go by is the direct teachings and ACTIONS of Christ as a head for our moral compass. (Strike three).
The New Testament is a almost word for word life account of Jesus and what he taught. More importantly it is also a written account of how he practiced what he preached. You won’t read about Christ preaching love in one sentence then shanking someone in the next. Nor will you ever find him saying “your loved one dies because of a group of people that aren’t harming anyone”. In fact what you will find is actually referenced in (believe it or not) a past WBC video, the story of “you without sin, cast the first stone”. It is written that an unnamed woman, who had been caught in the act of adultery (*eyes* Ms. Phelps) was brought to Jesus by the scribes and Pharisees as a test. *Queue Pokémon battle music* they wanted to catch him in some mistake of either state or religious law. This would allow them to finally arrest Jesus and be rid of him. In case you didn’t know, they kinda didn’t like Jesus. So how would this work? You see while stoning a woman was ok by Moses (the punishment for adultery); Roman law wasn’t. No matter how Jesus would answer, he be caught and in some serious trouble. A word trap if you will. Jesus, being the sly guy that he was, would have none of this stupidity. Being the master of conversation and communication, he used non-offensive words to break out of the word trap. Because of the hypocritical nature of the incident, He asked the surrounding people for a sinless person to carry out the stoning. Since it was already stated that only one who was pure and untainted by sin held the right to judge, Jesus knew what was going to come next. No one picked up a stone, in fact afterwards they dispersed. He, that is Jesus, asked “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” This guy Jesus knew why. So he didn't stone her (nor did anyone else), but instead he forgave the woman and told her to "sin no more."
The WBC makes signs in order to get a rise,
They protest funerals for attention,
They cast sin and ill upon anyone and everyone,
They speak all about “bible know how”, yet frequently ignore most of it,
They rarely practice what they preach,
They always refuse to look in the mirror.
They condemn the world, while blowing off any personal sin with “I’m god’s elect”
When one refuses to take responsibility for their actions, they should be affording no creditability.
*1 Don’t ask, I’m not even sure how killing everything out of ego and spite is love.
*2 IT WASN’T A APPLE!
*3 That’s a nerd joke >_>
*4 Because a tornado happening in a place called Tornado Ally is totally god’s wrath.
*5 I wonder, since this is the case, why don’t they stone Shirley?
*6 That’s just me musing btw, don’t take to much stock in it.
*7 It’s always “look towards god for your answer”
As of 10/18 this has been returned to for the process of updated, editing, and reformatting.
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