Tuesday, September 20, 2011

How WBC Fails: God H8's 16/19

The Westboro Baptist Church (or WBC) is an Independent Baptist “church” known for its extreme stance against homosexuality, other religions, and anything else that tickles their fancy. They are also known for their greatly offensive protest activities against fallen service men/woman and high profile aka popular people. In this special section created, we will explore their hateful and distorted “divine” teachings and expose them for what they truly are, a hate group who uses religion for personal power. 

Part: 16/19
Update: Videos have been removed. Blog now shows video of all of them combined. 
Bible Verse use:
Mk 9:43: And if thy hand offends thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched..
Rom 9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
(Which has already been shown to be a translation error)

And so the lady of Summer took her leave to rest,
In her place the Man of snow and ice came.
He would blanket the lands in both frost and cold,
Till the earth was ready to wake once more.

Me too little buddy, me too.

Have you noticed the change in weather recently*1? From a bloated nose to dragged out kicking and screaming headaches, you bet I sure have. Nothing beats doing paper work with a 12 on the earthquake scale headache. /sigh If at any point you where wondering what happened to me on here and on twitter, well now you know. That and a shit ton of work kinda knocked at my door... Have to pay the bills right? But enough about me, and I'm not really in the mood for a long opening, let's get to this video! Today’s video from the ever loud mouthed cult of hate is entitled “God loves the sinner, hates the sin”.The idea of God loving the person but highly displeased with the sin comes from two different sources, one being the bible the other a saint of God. 

The source from the bible is the verse Isaiah 55:7 which statesLet the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.”  What this verse is telling us is while it is true God wants sin to be forever destroyed,  he is still willing to forgive anyone that houses or partakes in sin. If the God of the Jews and Christian's was not the all loving God they claim he is, this God wouldn't be willing to do forgive. Instead the big almighty douche would set us on fire the moment we sinned. BOOM!

The second source of the above statement is from Saint Augustine. He is quoted saying “Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum” (when speaking on god’s love), which translates roughly to "With love for mankind and hatred of sins."  Again we seeGod hates sin, but he is always willing to forgive (an clean) humanity of their sins.

Back to our thrilling video, the minute and seventeen second mess wastes little time having Margie  Phelps recount their teaching on how "it is foolish to think the divine loves the person, but is willing to ignore the sin" (1 Peter 4:8 says whaaaaa). To part this simply, they are saying that if you sin you are going to hell. There is nothing you can do about this, so you might as well deal with it. With god and his “elect” lol’ing at you the whole bloody time, I'm sure it will be a blast.
As you may know (or will now know) I am not Catholic, I am in fact a follower of the old ways reborn.  I am a Pagan (or Wiccan if you prefer both suit me just fine).  As such I have always found such “REPENT OR DIE MORTAL!” talk… rather odd. When concerning the Pagan faiths we all know we are born imperfect, and accept that. We are not gods, and while the divinity is present in all things (not some far away other realm type of thing) we know we are not at the “perfect” stage yet. Our lives, and each one that comes after that, are classes if you will. They are to aid us, to enlighten us, so when the time comes we are no longer in need of reincarnation to get it right (morally speaking); we simply live on with the God and Goddess. The God and Goddess made us this way, they did not makes us imperfect so they could get their joyrides on punishing us, they made us of free will to find our own way, and to find our way to perfection.

Apparently that isn’t so with the Westboro and people of like mind…  

In this video, Margie incorrectly assumes that humans care not for their sins and will continue doing anything they damn well please *2. She also goes on to informs us there are numerous verses in the bible that support God hating the sinner (and the sin). But if God made us do this, as the WBC says, can we really be labeled as rebels and sinners? I was fortunate this time around to find another hate filled site that listed all (or at least most) of the verses Margie was referring to. The following verses found are as follows:

·         Eph.2:1
·         Gen.6:5
·          John 8:34
·          Eph.2:2
·         Salm 7:11
·         JOB 20 26-29
·         Ezra 5:12
·          Ezra 8:22
·         Job 21:30
·          Psalm 1:6
·          Psalm 1:5
·         Psalm 21 8-10
·         Psalm 90:11
·         Proverbs 11:23
·         Proverbs 11: 30-31
·         Isaiah 1:28
·          Isaiah 13: 8-10
·          Jeremiah 10: 9-11
·         Jeremiah 44 1-6
·         Nahum 1: 2-3
·         Romans 2: 1-11
·         Ephesians 5: 5-7
·         Colossians 3: 5-7
·         2 Thessalonians 1: 7-9
·         1 Peter 4: 17-18
·         2 Peter 2: 5-7, 2 Peter 3:7 

Taken some time to review the verses in question, we can clearly see that God says he is angry with the sinner, the ungodly, and the wicked and intends to do something about it. Sometimes this calls for some fire and brimstone, other times it calls for “taking away the blessings of the Father most high”*3.  When the WBC uses such verses and justification for their actions (they are apparently also vessels of god’s wrath, but for them it’s not a sin) two problems arise. The first and foremost with these is that, it takes Jesus Christ out of the equation when responding and confronting the activities of the wicked.  To condemn anyone is not only rejected by the bible, it even goes on to say that ONLY God the father is allowed to judge.  Jesus on his time on earth even said he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save the world (Jn 3:17). He came to save the world, he came to teach his people with words not the sword, he even forgave the people who killed his mortal form… need I really say more? As for the second problem stated, this stems from HOW these verses are used.  The person/people/nations that are used in these verses do not want to be forgiven. They (the people) have stated they willingly forsake god and the light, or if you prefer a modern day retelling, they flipped God the finger.

The point this video fails (or purposes tries not to make) is Jesus is always willing to forgive our sins. His life, his teachings, and DIEING for said teaching, even support this. If you see in this video, Jesus was even willing to forgive Shirley’s horrid sin which (according to the bible they claim to follow word for word) she should have been stoned for.  If we return to the bible for a moment, we see some other verses states;

Romans 5 8-10 tells us But God demonstrates His own LOVE toward us, in that while we were still SINNERS, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from WRATH through Him. For if when we were ENEMIES we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be SAVED by His life.

Isaiah 55:7 continues by saying Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

Margie says that God loving us but hating the sin is a lie we have made up to justify or sinning. If we willing hate, if we willing forsake the light, if we willing serve what ever we call evil, then yes (according to the people who believe such) we damn ourselves to hell. But if we do the best we can, if we live our life to the best of our ability, if we try not to sin, but always work to attune for the sins we do commit, God loves us and hates the sins.

*1:  Assuming you live in a area that doesn’t have only one temperature setting.
*2:  She also incorrectly makes the statement “The cow worshiper Gandi said this”, when it was in fact Saint Augustine who said it. He is quoted saying “Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum” (when speaking on god’s love), which translates roughly to "With love for mankind and hatred of sins."  
*3: The can be any number of things or sometimes vague. Poor harvests, lack of water and food, some type of sickness being “allowed” to happen or even invasion are just some examples.

1 comment:

  1. As of 10/19 some slight updating was preformed on this posting.